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Jim Borgman has been the Enquirer's editorial cartoonist since 1976. Borgman has won every major award in his field, including the 1991 Pulitzer Prize, the National Cartoonists Society's Reuben Award for Outstanding Cartoonist of the Year in 1993, and most recently, the Adamson Award in 2005 as International Cartoonist of the Year. His award-winning daily comic strip Zits, co-created with Jerry Scott, chronicles the life of 15-year-old Jeremy Duncan, his family and friends through the glories and challenges of the teenage years. Since debuting in July 1997, Zits has regularly finished #1 in reader comics polls across America and is syndicated in more than 1300 newspapers around the world.

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Wednesday, November 21, 2007

Cheney Family Traditions


40 Comments:

at 11/21/07, 1:20 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Or show O'Bama at the Cheney Thanksgiving feast this year.

 
at 11/21/07, 3:40 PM Anonymous 03 said...

Oh man, that is great...!!!

 
at 11/21/07, 5:08 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

That's not waterboarding. That looks more like dunking.

 
at 11/21/07, 7:33 PM Blogger Wettengel said...

Yes but if he made it look like waterboarding you would not get to see the great expression on the turkeys face. Great cartoon.

 
at 11/22/07, 6:07 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

i'm amazed that liberals want to have a debate on whether or not dumping water on a terrorist should be allowed, yet they've never condemned ONE terrorist for not abiding by the Geneva Conventions. as far as i'm concerned, we are allowed to do whatever the hell we want with terrorists. if you read the Geneva Conventions, it clearly states that the GC only applies to people who meet the following requirements:

2. Members of other militias and members of other volunteer corps, including those of organized resistance movements, belonging to a Party to the conflict and operating in or outside their own territory, even if this territory is occupied, provided that such militias or volunteer corps, including such organized resistance movements, fulfill the following conditions:

(b) That of having a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance;

(c) That of carrying arms openly;

(d) That of conducting their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war.


last i checked, our enemies did none of the above, thus the liberals entire "B-B-BUT THE GENEVA CONVENTIONS" argument gets tossed out the window.

of course, they have to find some way to defend the actions of the terrorists who cut off the heads of the members of our military that they uhh.."support" (wink wink)

i bet liberals are thankful that so many of our troops are being murdered in iraq and afghanistan today. you people make me sick.

 
at 11/22/07, 10:05 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jim,
You have one sick fixation on Cheney ! You insult all Americans by caring more about "humanely" treating terrorists than with the terrorists absolute inhumanity.
Guess teen-aged suicide bombers killing innocent women and children fails to register on your myopic moral compass.

 
at 11/23/07, 2:40 AM Anonymous Terrence said...

Yes but if he made it look like waterboarding you would not get to see the great expression on the turkeys face.

Jim has over 30 years of quality cartooning experience. He's definitely capable of finding a solution that preserves the humorous expression while also not being factually inaccurate.

i'm amazed that liberals want to have a debate on whether or not dumping water on a terrorist should be allowed, yet they've never condemned ONE terrorist for not abiding by the Geneva Conventions.

What an absurd statement. Even assuming it were true (which I doubt, considering how most of our political leaders are more concerned with irrelevant aspects of their outward appearance than their actions), the only people/organizations subject to the Geneva Conventions (and for whom rules exist for punishing violators) are those that have already agreed to follow them. Most terrorists are neither members of the governing bodies of nations or their militaries, nor have they ever ratified the Conventions. Do you remember that time Osama Bin Laden went to Switzerland to sign al Qaeda up for that? Yeah, me neither.

You argue that anyone who hasn't agreed to the rules shouldn't get the protections. This is as if to say anyone should get a free pass on murdering someone as long the murdered party doesn't think murder is wrong (or, at least, hasn't explicitly stated so). You can see how this opens us up to a quick descent into chaos, madness, and crimes against humanity when we're dealing not with a couple of two-bit thugs carrying glocks, but with national political bodies possessing huge militaries and advanced weapons capable of destroying the very planet we live on.

What you're talking about is akin to making police departments obey nothing beyond the rules of gang warfare.

You want to stop the debate? Here's the rule: If there's any question about whether or not something is torture, IT'S TORTURE. Better to err on the side of our own destruction than to become the monster we claim to be hunting.

You have one sick fixation on Cheney ! You insult all Americans by caring more about "humanely" treating terrorists than with the terrorists absolute inhumanity.
Guess teen-aged suicide bombers killing innocent women and children fails to register on your myopic moral compass.


Two wrongs don't make a right. Or are you suggesting we set our moral compass according to the actions of terrorists, instead of our own humanity, compassion, and respect for human life?

 
at 11/23/07, 4:53 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

YAWN

Disappointed by the lack of originality lately.

 
at 11/23/07, 9:51 AM Anonymous W.C. said...

Great effort Terrence!!!
(But don't waste too much energy
or eloquence trying to enlighten the pig-headed.)
Keep drawin' your good toons.

 
at 11/23/07, 3:37 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

WATERBOARDING is utilitizing the necessary force to help an enemy discuss the truth.

It may save U.S. lives.

What is the big deal?

 
at 11/23/07, 8:21 PM Blogger d blake said...

funny cartoon. and i'm a right-winger. gee, people need to get a sense of humor.

 
at 11/23/07, 8:25 PM Anonymous Reality Check said...

"utilitizing the necessary force to help an enemy discuss the truth"

Wow, someone really needs to be debriefed on how torture does the exact opposite of that (say, John McCain "revealing" the front line of the Green Bay Packers was readying an attack on North Vietnam) . . .

 
at 11/23/07, 10:28 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

yeah, at least bush is original: no GI bill for the vets, and rescinding sign-on bonuses after a near fatal injury prevents them from going back to the front lines (always a new way to screw someone in this country - no one left behind!)

 
at 11/23/07, 10:29 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

i think it's the republicans who are pulling parts out of the jet engines for cost reduction, last time I checked (not a new or bright idea)

 
at 11/23/07, 10:36 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

it was the pigs in Cincy that voted him in, not the turkeys

 
at 11/24/07, 2:06 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Humanity and compassion for terrorists leads to more killing and maiming of innocent civilians.
Giving these individuals the benefit of even a shred of doubt is an insult to common sense. Which part of "they will do anything, anywhere, to anyone, for one reason: TO DESTROY OUR WAY OF LIFE" don't you comprehend ?

What are you, bin Laden's ex wives, or his attorneys ??

 
at 11/24/07, 12:22 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

anon 2:06

they're neither.

just demoKKKrats. (speaking of demoKKKrats, how old is Senator Byrd these days?)

 
at 11/24/07, 1:03 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bush's disappearing alliance in Iraq
A majority of the countries in the Multinational Coalition that supported the invasion in 2003 have since withdrawn most or all of their troops.

Bush's best friends: jealousy, lust, anger, greed, hate, fear, vanity, sloth, gluttony, pride

 
at 11/24/07, 1:06 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

well, he shoots his friends too! (at least he hasn't had sex in the airport bathroom)

 
at 11/24/07, 7:08 PM Anonymous Reality Check said...

2:06 not only seems to ignore that we might be torturing innocent people (mistakes happen), but seems to want to torture just for the heck of it.

12:22 brings up ancient, irrelevant history, and contributes nothing to the argument.

Really, it's like they're not even trying anymore . . .

 
at 11/25/07, 12:15 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

No reality check, its do what we must so we can live free, rather than die at the hands of those who have no conscience.
Wishing the rules would be followed all the time is not the reality in the dark shadows of military conflict.

 
at 11/25/07, 12:42 AM Blogger lou said...

Jim, you would fit in very well at the New York Times. Krugman, Dowd and Rich might even buy your lunch. Get over it Dude, you are part of a dying publication.

 
at 11/25/07, 4:09 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

you can't communicate with ignorance, bigotry and stupidity, let alone insanity

 
at 11/25/07, 4:10 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

he should do it to any american who's 25 lbs overweight

 
at 11/25/07, 4:15 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

what's with the rollover advertizements over your site - really annoying!!

 
at 11/25/07, 4:16 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.boston.com/sports/?p1=GN_Sports

one of the only thin people left on the planet!

 
at 11/25/07, 9:24 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

the US flag is pink and green

 
at 11/25/07, 10:48 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Pssst...all you angry political antagonists...it's a cartoon. It's supposed to be funny. If it isn't funny to you, turn to Beatle Bailey and try that out.

Lighten up, for God's sake.

 
at 11/25/07, 11:37 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

screw Cheney and ALL his businesses, all his lying, cheating, thieving Halliburtons

 
at 11/25/07, 11:57 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

You people need to enjoy holiday weekends away from the 'puter.

 
at 11/26/07, 10:55 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

If the cartoon was funny, we'd be laughing.

 
at 11/26/07, 11:26 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

yeah, it's just lead

 
at 11/26/07, 11:26 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cincinnati can dish it out but they can't take it - wimps!!

 
at 11/26/07, 6:07 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Right here in River City we don't blindly accept pablum as professionalism. Jim needs to move off the Cheney rant and get back to Pulitzer form.

 
at 11/28/07, 6:15 PM Blogger Shade said...

Well I'm laughing. What a great little drawing.

C'mon people in real life torture doesn't work like it does for Jack Bauer in 24.

It's always a little disturbing to see how readily people will tear down what this country stands for, in the name of defending what it stands for.

 
at 11/29/07, 3:00 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Torture" is a relative term. Killing innocent civilians and onesself in the name of "religion" by detonating explosives or crashing planes defines evil.
Save the moral grandstanding, the enemy is trying to kill us all !

 
at 11/30/07, 6:49 PM Anonymous Reality Check said...

Nope, "the enemy is trying to kill us all" still does not justify going down to their level by resorting to the uselessness that is torture . . .

 
at 12/1/07, 10:17 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey (altered) Reality. "Torture" is relative. Killing is not. You can sit on your moral high horse when the suicide bomber calls and innocents die, knowing you were "right." I will sleep perfectly well knowing that any and all means necessary are being used to disrupt, detain, and destroy those who make it their vocation to kill innocent citizens, anywhere, anytime, for no good reason.
"Stooping to the terrorists level" would be shipping the detainees, drugged and booby trapped, to the mosques and markets in Sadr City.
That would be morally wrong, IMHO.
Using current interrogation methods to glean information and uncover plots is far from the "moral abyss" you claim.

 
at 12/3/07, 9:56 PM Anonymous Reality Check said...

Ok Clueless Wonder, since you still don't get it, I'll make it as simple as possible . . .:

TORTURE


DOES


NOT


wORK


It not only won't stop your theoretical suicide bomber, it will likely make a new one; saying it is "relative" does not change it. To be blunt, torture is a tool of totalitarians who want to show who's in charge, not much else . . .

If you really believe waterboarding is just another "interrogation technique," maybe you should volunteer for a round.

 
at 12/6/07, 2:07 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey ignorant king of the world wannabe Reality check
Aggressive interrogation breaks men's will and is necessary to destroy the psyche in order to get them to "break" . Do you remember the drugged images of our American POWS claiming "how benevolent their captors were." ? How do you think Americans gleaned info during WW 2 ? Reality check, you are a poor mouther of military tactics.

I'll volunteer for a round of waterboarding if you think you are enough of a "man" to force me !! It would be fun watching you gasp for air, saying whatever you are told to save your skin ! I could prove my point and you would "tap out" and leave a defeated fool.

Lose your "totalitarian" crutch and live in a world where people will kill for any reason , or no reason, regardless of whether or not you feel they should live by your "rules".
Realpolitik, not capitulation.

I will forever be Churchill to your Chamberlain, you self-righteous arse.

 
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